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Sunday, July 29, 2007
Hunting for sabina junipers - part 3
So why all this bother? Well here some trees:
This is the best sabina juniper that I have ever collected. It had good roots and I think it will make it. Unfortunately the survival rate with sabians is very low in general. It took more than one hour to get it out.
I leave on as much green as possible. It is one of the most common mistakes to cut off green. The foliage is needed to produce energy for new roots. Other wise ther will be no new roots. Only when the roots are stablished will the green be reduced. You have to mist it very often. And the tree will go into semi shade for the rest of the year. Greenouse would be good but mine is much too hot and too dry in summer.
Fantastic tree Walter! Even better than your RMJ's I think! Do you think a sabina would thrive as far north as Norway? At what altidude do you collect sabinas and at what lenghtitude?
sre it will grow in Norway. It grows at an altitude of 1000 to 1700 meters here. The problem is that this kind of specimen is so rare and that most will die after collecting. It is not like mugo pines. You can find sevral thousand world class mugo pines in Europe every year if you are really dedicated. You can find endless really good Scots pines. But not sabina junipers. Well, I hope so much that this one makes it.
The survival rate is poor? Why is it then, that you put them in low/small pots immediately? Perhaps they would respond better if you planted them in the ground.
because this definitely INCREASES the survival rate. Ask any trained gardener. Contrary to general bonsai believe a collected tree will do better in a smaller pot than ina larger pot. Trust me, I have enough experience to know this for a fact. Another bonsai myth cracked.
Well. Before I say I believe you, I need to hear your explanation of why is it so. Not just "in-my-experience" (because my experience is somewhat different). An explanation with plausible evidence/proof other than "10%-made-it-and-that's-a-lot".
this is not an art question where everyone can have and opinion, this is an experience question. Have you sucessfully collected more than 1000 old trees? If yes, I might consider listen to you, if not, I will not. Go google Brent Walston, evergreen gardenworks and read the potting stuff. Or listen to teh American Department of Agriculture who have done tests with millions of trees in plastic containers. Don't listen to your common sense or to the general bonsai crowd. They don't have much of a clue. Even the ones writing books. A blog is NOT for communication. This is what forums are for.
11 comments:
oh... my... god...
very good !!!! ...AMAZING !!!
You don´t cut any green part ? ... full sun or green house ?
thank´s
FANTASTIC!!!
Good luck with this sabina juniper, Walter!
Wolfgang
I leave on as much green as possible. It is one of the most common mistakes to cut off green. The foliage is needed to produce energy for new roots. Other wise ther will be no new roots. Only when the roots are stablished will the green be reduced. You have to mist it very often. And the tree will go into semi shade for the rest of the year. Greenouse would be good but mine is much too hot and too dry in summer.
Fantastic tree Walter!
Even better than your RMJ's I think!
Do you think a sabina would thrive as far north as Norway? At what altidude do you collect sabinas and at what lenghtitude?
Rune
Rune,
sre it will grow in Norway. It grows at an altitude of 1000 to 1700 meters here.
The problem is that this kind of specimen is so rare and that most will die after collecting. It is not like mugo pines. You can find sevral thousand world class mugo pines in Europe every year if you are really dedicated. You can find endless really good Scots pines. But not sabina junipers. Well, I hope so much that this one makes it.
Walter
The survival rate is poor? Why is it then, that you put them in low/small pots immediately? Perhaps they would respond better if you planted them in the ground.
Jan,
because this definitely INCREASES the survival rate. Ask any trained gardener. Contrary to general bonsai believe a collected tree will do better in a smaller pot than ina larger pot. Trust me, I have enough experience to know this for a fact.
Another bonsai myth cracked.
Jan,
These trees do not do better in the ground than they do in a pot. Believe me!
Well. Before I say I believe you, I need to hear your explanation of why is it so. Not just "in-my-experience" (because my experience is somewhat different). An explanation with plausible evidence/proof other than "10%-made-it-and-that's-a-lot".
jan,
this is not an art question where everyone can have and opinion, this is an experience question. Have you sucessfully collected more than 1000 old trees? If yes, I might consider listen to you, if not, I will not.
Go google Brent Walston, evergreen gardenworks and read the potting stuff.
Or listen to teh American Department of Agriculture who have done tests with millions of trees in plastic containers. Don't listen to your common sense or to the general bonsai crowd. They don't have much of a clue. Even the ones writing books.
A blog is NOT for communication. This is what forums are for.
Walter
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